THE FABIA CLUB

fanfabia · Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:52 pm Post subject: PD is King!

Samir Sahib
Common Rail Direct Injection with popular acronyms e.g CD/CRDI/CDI/D4D/TDCI/TDI CR/CRDE/DICOR is a downstream Diesel Injection Technology now extremely popular in the Market, mainly owing to its refinement and near petrol engine Noise and Vibration Levels. Owing to use of High Pressure Single Pump feeding diesel to various Injectors through a common pipe called rail. The advantage here is, you can use Quartz/Piezo Electric controls for injectors to get actuated at right time, controlled by the ECU. Moreover you may leverage more power through deploying multiple inlet valves and have multistage diesel injection for a more mature combustion, leading to more power and better adherence to stringent emission norms. On the Down Side, there is requirement of clean unadultrated Diesel Oil to prevent clogging and subsequent failure of the High Pressure Pump, which is single point of Failure. On the downside, this technology has a challenge in maintaining same pressure between the First Injector and the Last Injector in the row of In Line Engines. Torque Curve is more Sinusoidal than Square like PD Engines. Coming to the point of Polo 1.2L TDI CR is strategically adopted for lower cost but sacrifice is peak torque at 2000RPM and then immediately receding on increase in RPM. This makes Polo extremely underpowered on low rpms in city traffic and you need to rev it up to 2000 rpm exactly for high torque requirements. It is a bargain of Engine refinement and Low cost for Low end torque.

Now comning to TDI PD technology. This is a proprietory technology of Volkswagen and at some point of time pitched against Common Rail as a rival. In PD technology Diesel Injector and Pump, both are integrated and you have as many Diesel Pumps as number of cylinders. This exercises higher, better and constatnt Injection pressures over Common Rail. Downside is more expensive, cannot have multiple inlet Valves and more Noise and Vibration. But what you get is flat low end peak torque e.g 1600RPM to 2800RPM for Fabia 1.4 TDI. This makes Fabia a pleasure to drive in City as well as Highways. Mind you low end peak torque gives you better A/C performance and the Car does not struggle while switching it on. You may have observed this in Petrol Engines where A/C performance considerably improves on high rpms >3000 and dies at lower tailgaiting traffic

All other jargon of BHP etc is to confuse the mortal customers like us. Single reason for SKODA to switch over to CR is Cost and economy of scales. Otherwise PD makes good sense if you can bear its clatter.
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Saket Kapur
New Delhi
Owned & Driven Fiat 1100D,Premier Padmini,Amb MarkII,III,IV,800, Esteem, Zen, Omni,Estate,Sumo, Sieana,Innova etc. Had the opportunity to Drive in Thailand, Mauritius, Australia, New Zealand and Greek Islands.Cars are my passion .

Srreekumar · Been Around Fabiosi Joined: 05 Jun 2009 Posts: 54

jeetz4u · Newbie Joined: 10 Jul 2010 Posts: 16

Thank you...
Yes, i got the white angel, and candy white color is really really nice.
Its very very white Smile

i liked c.beige too, and yea, there are some slight difference of c.beige color of fabia and superb. i liked the one on superb, so finally decided to go with white.
i am gonna upload some pictures immediately.
warm regards
jeet.[/img]

jeetz4u · Newbie Joined: 10 Jul 2010 Posts: 16

fanfabia · Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:30 pm Post subject: Congratulations!

Congrats! on your new possession. Have a Safe and Comfortable Drive!
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Saket Kapur
New Delhi
Owned & Driven Fiat 1100D,Premier Padmini,Amb MarkII,III,IV,800, Esteem, Zen, Omni,Estate,Sumo, Sieana,Innova etc. Had the opportunity to Drive in Thailand, Mauritius, Australia, New Zealand and Greek Islands.Cars are my passion .

jeetz4u · Newbie Joined: 10 Jul 2010 Posts: 16

Thank you !!!

orionph05 · Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:19 am Post subject:

Excellent , you fianlized the car in 3 Weeks time , Preety quick.
I took six months to decide on which car and 3 months on which Fabia model /Variant to go for Very Happy

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Rgds
Pravin
Bangalore

jeetz4u · Newbie Joined: 10 Jul 2010 Posts: 16

Yea..

It took less time...
However, it has been my dream from last many years.
Fabia was my first sight love and later, many new car confused my decision, but finally i decided to buy fabia.
Polo was one of my choice and was good, the only problem was that, its really not as spacious as fabia.. fabia is just perfect for all 4 people sitting in the car and also for the luggage..

Btw, how one would calculate the fuel efficiency ? Is there any accurate method ?

Jeet

orionph05 · Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:18 am Post subject:

What was the final onroad price , how much did you pay for insurance & IDV and was it thru dealer.
Were you able to get discounts & freebies
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Rgds
Pravin
Bangalore

jeetz4u · Newbie Joined: 10 Jul 2010 Posts: 16

Freebies : mud flaps and mats only.
On road price : 6.45L (Includes everything)
Their discount was complicated. If I do RTO, insurance & Finance on my own, they will not provide discount of 50K total.
So, i decided to buy whole package from them.

I will post individual details of insurance and IDV later today.

Regards
JEET

admin · Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:58 am Post subject:

orionph05 · Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:13 am Post subject:

I used to monitor the milage from the point I get the reserve indicator flashing , would set my trip meter to 0 , and fill X liters and see the trip reading until next reserve indicator flashes to get the average.
This may not be the best technique to give 100 % result.

Now I have stopped checking the milage , as its constant from the PSU bunk I visit for a long time, probably the engine is used to the proportion of adultered fuel Very Happy

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Rgds
Pravin
Bangalore

Srreekumar · Been Around Fabiosi Joined: 05 Jun 2009 Posts: 54

another white angel to the club..and it took me 1 month to decide on the color of my car after finalizing the variant Laughing

if white is kept in constant polished state, there's nothing to beat its charm..take good care of it jeetz.

meanwhile, the 2nd service for my baby is due next week and it has just crossed the 12000km mark. the mileage has been steady around 10.85km/l (100% AC, 100% city drive, 70% in 3rd gear the the max). got the tires filled up with nitrogen 2 weeks back and it feels more nimble and cushioned now.

where's our general? his baldness is always visible in facebook, yet those balding lines are absent here. ajay & einstein, please drag him up here Twisted Evil

shailinder · Newbie Joined: 02 Aug 2010 Posts: 23

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If you want Diesel wait for CRDi 1.2 or 1.6.
If its petrol you can go for current Petrol Engine.
Take a call and like Robin said if you wont sell the car for long time just go and buy petrol one.[/quote]

When is it expected (CRDi 1.2 or 1.6 ? What would be the price band ?

fanfabia · Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:47 pm Post subject:

It seems there is lot of guess work going on regarding future of Fabia. I feel change only in 1.2 Petrol(Same as Polo). Diesel 1.4 TDI PD is here to stay. Polo 1.2 TDI CR is more sluggish than 1.4 TDI PD. Since 1.4 TDI PD is BSIV, there is no need to make this change.
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Saket Kapur
New Delhi
Owned & Driven Fiat 1100D,Premier Padmini,Amb MarkII,III,IV,800, Esteem, Zen, Omni,Estate,Sumo, Sieana,Innova etc. Had the opportunity to Drive in Thailand, Mauritius, Australia, New Zealand and Greek Islands.Cars are my passion .

jeetz4u · Newbie Joined: 10 Jul 2010 Posts: 16

Know what,
My fabia (28th of last month purchase date) is 1.2htp and its BS IV. i saw that in Form22. And i was surprised. It was manufactured in June at chakan plant.
Regards
Jeet

fanfabia · Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:49 pm Post subject:

My Fabia was registered as 1.4TDI BSIV with Fuel Type Petrol mentioned in the Smart Card issued here in Delhi. It took close to two months to get it corrected to Diesel.

Surprisingly if SKODA was making BSIV 1.2HTP then why the hell they are not advertising?
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Saket Kapur
New Delhi
Owned & Driven Fiat 1100D,Premier Padmini,Amb MarkII,III,IV,800, Esteem, Zen, Omni,Estate,Sumo, Sieana,Innova etc. Had the opportunity to Drive in Thailand, Mauritius, Australia, New Zealand and Greek Islands.Cars are my passion .

fanfabia · Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:54 pm Post subject:

Moreover if BSIII vehicle is Registered as BSIV, then on subsequent pollution checks after One Year, the vehicle has to adhere to the stricter BSIV emission norms (which is extremely difficult).
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Saket Kapur
New Delhi
Owned & Driven Fiat 1100D,Premier Padmini,Amb MarkII,III,IV,800, Esteem, Zen, Omni,Estate,Sumo, Sieana,Innova etc. Had the opportunity to Drive in Thailand, Mauritius, Australia, New Zealand and Greek Islands.Cars are my passion .

orionph05 · Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:24 am Post subject:

k_ajay · Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:40 pm Post subject: